OK, I got impatient for a reply. Nero doesn't seem to want to do it, maybe it's me, but DVD Decrypter just got on and did it. Haven't booted from it yet since I'm not ready to re-start just now but it ...

I just got a new comp: epox 8rda, athlon xp 2400+, 2x512Mb crucial 2700, chaintech gf4 ti4200, other unrelated crap.... lite-on cd-rw 48x24x48 and 16x dvd drive. Both are seen and can read fine. But ...